Dave Mustaine of Megadeth speaks about his time in Metallica

Megadeth frontman Dave Mustaine talked about his brief time as a member of Metallica in the early 1980s in a three-hour interview with Shawn Ryan, presenter of the Shawn Ryan Show and a former Navy SEAL and CIA contractor. Let’s start at the very beginning…

I was done with [my previous band] Panic and I said, ‘I’m gonna find something else to do.’ So I got a newspaper called The Recycler, and it’s just a rag from Los Angeles, Orange County. It’s like a county classified ad magazine. And I’m looking in the classified ad magazine. Go figure. The biggest band in the world would advertise in this newspaper. So I look at it and it says, ‘Wanted lead guitar player’ and mentioned a couple bands. So I called up and I got Lars on the phone, and I said, ‘Yeah, well, I like Motörhead and I like Budgie. And he goes, ‘You like fucking Budgie, man?’ And I went, ‘Yeah, I do.’ And that was the icebreaker because Budgie is a Welsh band. It’s a three-piece. It’s very obscure. And by me listening to them showed that I had credibility in the New Wave Of British Heavy Metal world because of the bands I was listening to. They were not a band like a white metal band or a progressive metal band. They were a three-piece from Wales that kicked ass. They didn’t have to have all those silly names in front of it. So, [Lars and I] were on the phone, and he made that comment that I know them, and I said, ‘Yeah.’ So we talked about meeting face to face. And I drove down from Huntington Beach to Newport Beach where he lived in a place called — I think it was called Park Newport. And the funny thing was my mom was a maid and she had actually worked a event for catering in his complex he was in. And I’m thinking, ‘Go figure. My mom was a maid here and your mom has a place here. What a story that is, two different sides of the same coin.’ And so I went into his place and started talking to him. And he played this song called ‘Hit The Lights’ that was written by a guy named Lloyd Grant. Metallica didn’t write that song. Lloyd Grant wrote it, and then he was friends with Lars, and then Lars introduced him to James and then they started playing ‘Hit The Lights’. That’s a song that I heard from them first and I said, ‘Wow, this song needs way more lead solos in it.’ It was just me being cocky, being me: ‘It needs more lead solos in it.’ And he was trying to figure out if I was for real. And so we went to rehearsal. He said, ‘We’re gonna try you out.’ I said, okay. I mean, I knew how good I played. I have been gifted, and I know it’s not by my own doing, so I don’t try to take any credit for it. So I don’t care how good I am or not, or what people say or anything like that. So I just knew what I knew, what I knew. And I went to Ron McGovney’s parents’ fourplex. They had this place that James was living with Ron. And I went up there with Lars and I set up my amps and I plugged my guitar in and I just started warming up. [And] they wouldn’t come in. They wouldn’t come into the rehearsal room. So I put my guitar down and I thought, ‘This is really strange.’ And I walked out and I said, ‘Guys, are we gonna do the audition?’ They said, ‘You got the gig.’

Mustaine was confident he was the chosen one.

‘Cause I could play that stuff. I mean, there weren’t very many guitar players like me around at the time. Who were they? Randy Rhoads. There were people like that. The guy from RATT — Warren DeMartini was really great. But real shredders? There wasn’t a lot of us around at the time.

He also talked about what it felt like to be in the band.

Well, again, it’s kind of like it seemed like this was what my destiny was. And when it came time for us to do our first concert, we played at a high school, or maybe it was a junior high school Lars might’ve gone to. I know he went to it, but I can’t remember if it was elementary or junior or high school, whatever. And from that point on, it was just clear that whenever there was any kind of altercation that was going down, I would be the one that would take care of it. James was very peaceful, and Lars, he was a little bit of a devil; he liked to have fun. But, yeah, if there was ever any stuff going down, I had to take care of it. When we went up to San Francisco and did our first couple shows up there at a place called The Stone, I was the one who had to go and collect the money. And there’s a million ways to embezzle or to be corrupt when it comes down to running a club or a bar when it involves a band getting paid. They can say all kinds of stuff. And if you don’t know, you don’t know. And most kids my age at that time don’t know. And they try and get money and they’ll say, ‘Well, you sold 200 tickets and you have a bar tab here, and so we’re gonna give you 150 bucks.’ And you know that they made a killing on their booze. You know that they made money on the food and snacks that they have there and the ticket prices. Plus they take a giant whack of your merchandise. And that was my gig. I would go do that.

But unfortunately, it wasn’t going to last.

When we decided we were gonna move out to New York, that was because Lars had found somebody he wanted to manage us, this guy Jonny Zazula, who had Megaforce Records. And [Jonny] heard our demo tape, the ‘No Life ‘Til Leather’ demo tape. And he lost his mind, just like everybody else in the world. And they wanted to get the band to come out and record a record. And while we were on the way out there, we got in a car crash. We were driving through the snow. None of us knew how to drive through snow except for Lars, because he was from Denmark. And I’m driving this Ryder truck. It’s a 24-foot truck, and it had a tow bar and it had James’s pickup on the back. So when we were driving, we hit black ice and the whole thing spun around while I was driving. And I managed to keep it upright in the middle of the freeway, but the truck stopped and oncoming traffic was coming towards us. And the events that happened at that location… The guy that had produced — I think he produced the first record; his name’s Mark Whitaker. He was the guy that was doing our sound and stuff. He almost died. I had to push him out of the way, and a truck was to the right or right where he was standing. So if I wouldn’t have seen that truck coming and saved his life, he’d be dead right now. And when we went to the U-Haul place to get our truck, we placed and moved all of our gear into the new truck. James and Lars had made a decision to replace me because they tried to pin that driving thing on me as the last straw.

And Mustaine explains more in detail:

We all drank. That’s why they called it Alcoholica. I mean, they didn’t call it Dave-Alcoholica. We all drank. And they continued to drink like that even after I was gone. But that was, I think, the beginning of the end. And when we got out to New York, I had a reel of tape, this quarter-inch tape, that had probably two days’ worth of guitar riffs on it, just me playing and playing and playing. And we took that tape player and the reel of tape with us out to New York. We did two shows out there, and after those two shows, they woke me up one morning and said, ‘Look, you’re out of the band.’ And I said, ‘What are you talking about?’ ‘You’re out of the band.’ I said, ‘No warning? No second chance? You’re not gonna give me a warning? You’re just gonna kick me out?’ And I thought that was unfair. And it showed a grotesque lack of character. And so that pissed me off and was a huge part of the fuel. But at the time, I was really mad and I didn’t wanna forgive them for what they did. And I told them when I left, ‘Do not use my music. And of course they used it. [The] ‘Ride The Lightning’ [title track] I wrote. ‘The Call Of Ktulu’ I wrote. Let’s see, what else? There’s ‘Phantom Lord’, ‘Metal Militia’, ‘Jump In The Fire’, ‘The Four Horsemen’. And I wrote a bunch of ‘Leper Messiah’ too. They didn’t give me credit on that. You listen to the riffs, you know they’re my riffs. It’s, like, you think I’m gonna all of a sudden hear my riff and say, ‘That’s not me.’ So, yeah, I wrote a lot of their music that made them, and all the solos on that first record were mine — the best Kirk could try and copy them.

Why was he singled out, though?

Because when I got drunk, I got violent. James and I had gone out to a club one time. It was the old Mabuhay [Gardens in San Francisco]. It was across the street from The Stone. And we were out front, and some guy came out of the alleyway and he said, ‘There’s a guy beating some girl up in the alleyway.’ And, of course, I being the champion for justice, did not want to hear that and not do anything. So I went down the alleyway with James, and, of course, James not being a fighter, started yelling out, ‘Kill him, kill him, kill him.’ And the guy comes out from behind a van and he was much bigger than James, and he said, ‘Who’s gonna kill me?’ And James goes — points to me. So I immediately grabbed a guy and put him down in a submission and started rabbit punching him until he stopped moving. And then we ran out of the alleyway and we stood out front until the paramedics came. And that was it. So I imagine he saw that and he figured, ‘I don’t wanna be part of this. Dave’s already beat me up back down in Los Angeles, and he’s just too violent.’ ‘Cause James did get a punch in the mouth from me. He kicked my puppy.

Some punches were thrown, too.

I was selling pot for a living, so one time I did a concert and people knew I was on stage, so they just shimmied the window. There was nobody there. They took all my pot, and I was pissed. So I got two dogs. My nephew took one and I took the other one, and I had taken her up with me to rehearsal. And she was playing and she’s looking up at me. I’m standing over here. Ron McGovney’s got this really nice GTO and she leans up against the car and puts her paws on the front quarter panel and [James] goes bang and kicked the dog. And I went, ‘What did you just do? What did you just do?’ And it went from the front yard into the house, and there was still stuff being said. And I said, ‘You better shut up or I’m gonna punch you in the mouth. And then Ron McGovney says, ‘If you hit him, you’re gonna have to hit me first.’ And I said, ‘You stay out of it.’ And then James said the same thing: ‘If you hit him, you’re gonna have to hit me first.’ And I said, ‘Okay, you win.’ And bang, I hit James in the mouth, and then I hip-tossed Ron into his television set-up. And that was it. Two strikes and it was over. And Lars was pulling his hair going, ‘I don’t want it to end this way.’ And I thought, ‘You know what? I’ve already told you, it’s either me or James.’ And we did that a bunch of times, ’cause James was doing stupid stuff. And I told James the same thing. I said, ‘Man, it’s either me or Lars, ’cause Lars sucks.’ And I got the ax in the end. So it’s good. Fine.

What happened next?

I went home and I contacted a friend of mine and I said, ‘I quit.’ She said, ‘No, you didn’t. You got fired.’ And I said, ‘Yeah, I got fired. I quit. I got fired, whatever. I’m back home. Wrong word. [it’s] not changing the outcome.’ And I made sure not to ever say that I quit, ’cause I wanted people to know that I was unfairly dismissed and that I didn’t give a shit. ‘Cause we may not be as big as they are. Hell, their biggest song, ‘Enter Sandman’, go look up the band EXCEL right now. Look up their song — I think it’s something ‘Into The Unknown’. [Editor’s note: The track is actually called ‘Tapping Into The Emotional Void’.] Pretty similar.”